it's that they have positions that are seen as anti-women, anti-minority, anti-immigrant, anti-science, anti-everything. >> if they're looking for a new leader, and they've got to have a new leader, and they're in the age of obstructing everything in washington, wouldn't this set the table for somebody out in the heartland with republican core conservative value and ideas to step forward with a fresh message? what about that, karen? >> you know, here is the problem, ed. it's not just the message, right. it is the policies. think about so while bobby jindal was making those comments, we know that a majority of americans from our own nbc/wall street journal poll believe that access to legal abortion, majority agree with that, that roe v. wade should be the law of the land. what is the republican agenda? to try to overturn roe v. wade and take those rights away from women. we know the majority of americans support a path to citizenship. what is the republican agenda? a fake path to citizenship. point being, it is their policies. i will say quickly that after the 2004 election when democra